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转基因食品专家沙西教授访谈录
http://www.sina.com.cn 2003/01/03 10:10  北京青年报

  Q: Is there a law in the US that requires manufacturers to label food products made with genetically modified material?

  A: No, there isn't. For biotech crops that have the same composition as the conventional varieties and are shown to be just as safe as them we do not require a label because it would provide no meaningful information to consumers. We allow voluntary labeling of biotech-free products so that consumers have a choice. In countries that require labels, it is often the case that biotech ingredients are not found in food products. US law does not require labels unless the composition or nutrient value of the product is significantly changed.

  Q: It seems that more Americans than Europeans support biotech. What would you say is the main reason for that?

  A: I'm not sure that the difference is as big as it is often claimed. Surveys show that a majority of consumers support biotechnology in most EU countries. The major difference is that a very active and vocal minority has convinced the majority that biotech foods should be more carefully regulated and that a more cautious approach should be taken to their use. Scientists, agriculture and food policymakers and regulators in the EU view biotechnology quite favorably. They are working hard to set up a system that will allow biotechnology to be used in the EU in a manner that assures safety and consumer confidence. I would add that the propaganda campaign that spreads fear about biotech foods is based in the EU and as a result EU consumers have heard a lot of very frightening stories about biotechnology.

  Q: People who oppose biotechnology say that scientists are creating new species through induced genetic mutations, which is unnatural. What is your response to such assertions?

  A: First of all, I do not agree that an organism to which one or two new genes have been added is a new species. The changes made through biotechnology do not violate the classification of a species. It's a favorite charge that the anti-biotechnology people make, but then they appear not to have studied biology very carefully. I can give you many examples in which one member of a species has different genes than does another. What you get when you insert a gene is an organism that has one new trait.

  I would also point out that humans are a part of the natural universe. One could reasonably argue that everything and anything that we do is "natural". In biotechnology we use enzymes that we isolate from nature to link together pieces of DNA in the same manner that occurs in nature. We even use a bacterium that is a natural genetic engineer to introduce the new genes (traits)sintosthe plant. Is this really "unnatural"? And if it is, why isn't plant breeding of any sort unnatural? Shouldn't we view all technology as unnatural by this standard?

  Q: Chinese scientists have used biotechnology to create a new type of tomato, which contains the vaccine against hepatitis B. What's your take on this?

  A: It's a great example of how this technology can be used to save lives, relieve pain and suffering and improve the human condition. How can anyone be opposed to that? My only hope is that the clinical trials of this new tomato go well and that it is quickly delivered to health care providers who will use it to vaccinate people against hepatitis. By the way, please note that I do think that such new pharmaceutical foods need to be handled as medicines by professionals and not as conventional foods. You will never see these tomatoes in the supermarket. In a sense, the tomato plant is just being used to manufacture a vaccine in a very safe and economical manner.

转基因食品专家沙西教授访谈录

  问:美国是否有法律规定要求生产厂家在含转基因成分的食品上贴标签?

  答:没有。对于那些与传统作物所含的成分一样、安全性也一样的转基因作物,我们不要求贴标签,因为标签并不能向消费者提供有意义的信息。但我们允许厂家对不含转基因成分的产品自愿贴标签,消费者就有选择的可能。在要求贴标签的国家里,往往都是在食品不含转基因成分的情况下来贴。美国法律不要求贴上标签,除非产品中的成分与营养价值发生了显著变化。

  问:在种植转基因作物问题上,似乎持支持态度的美国人比欧洲人多,原因何在呢?

  答:我不能确定这一态度上的区别真像人们常说的那么大。很多调查显示,多数欧盟国家中的多数消费者支持转基因技术,而主要区别在于,欧洲很活跃很能造声势的少数人使多数人相信对转基因食品应更加小心地加以规范,应采取更谨慎的步骤加以食用。欧盟的科学家、农业与食品政策的制定者、管理者都看好转基因技术,他们正在努力建立一种体系,这种体系将允许转基因技术在欧盟内以确保安全和消费者信任的方式使用。我还要补充一点,对转基因食品散布恐惧感的宣传运动植根于欧盟,这就使得欧盟国家的消费者听到了很多有关转基因技术的可怕故事。

  问:反对转基因技术的人们说,科学家们正通过诱导基因突变而制造新物种,这是非自然的。您怎么看待这一说法?

  答:首先,我不承认一个有机体在增加了一两个新基因后就成为了一个新物种。通过转基因技术所造成的变化并不改变一个物种的分类,那是反对转基因技术的人爱用的一种指责,但他们立刻就显出了没有仔细研究过生物学。我可以给你举出很多例子,在这些例子中一个物种的一员拥有与另一成员不同的基因。当你往一个有机体中插入一个基因后,所得到的是具有一个新特征的同物种的有机体。

  还有一点我想指出的是,人类本身就是自然界的一部分,你可以理直气壮地说我们所做的每一件事、任何一件事都是“自然”的。在转基因技术中,我们使用从自然界分离出的酵素,以那种在自然界发生的同样方式把几段DNA连在一起。我们甚至还使用号称“自然界的基因工程师”的细菌把新基因(性状)带到植物中。难道这真是“非自然”的吗?如果是,为什么植物没有繁衍出任何非自然的植物呢?按照这一标准,我们不就该把所有的技术都视为非自然的了吗?

  问:中国科学家已经使用转基因技术培育出了含有乙肝疫苗的西红柿,对此您有何评价?

  答:这是转基因技术可以用于拯救生命、减轻病痛与苦难而改善人类生存状况的极好例子,怎么可能有人会反对它呢?我唯一的愿望就是这一新型种类的西红柿的临床试验进展顺利,能很快送到医务工作者手中,让人们获得对肝炎的免疫力。顺便说一句:请注意,我认为这一新型药物食品应该作为药品由专业医药人员掌握。而不能作为传统食品。你不会在超市看到这类西红柿,从某种意义上说,这种西红柿不过是以非常安全与经济的方式来生产疫苗。




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